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I've been using LogMeIn for a few years. It was great at $100/year. It was
OK at $200/year but now it's going up to $350/year and it's time to loo for
something else.

Suggestions?

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Splashtop (mac/pc)..  or if on Windows and you can do port forwarding, UltraVNC.

Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 15, 2018, at 2:27 PM, Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> I've been using LogMeIn for a few years. It was great at $100/year. It was
> OK at $200/year but now it's going up to $350/year and it's time to loo for
> something else.
>
> Suggestions?
>
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Teamviewer, I cheated for a long time and said i was not using it in a
commercial environment but then guilt got the better of me!

Regards,

Wayne




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> Splashtop (mac/pc)..  or if on Windows and you can do port forwarding, UltraVNC.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Jul 15, 2018, at 2:27 PM, Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> I've been using LogMeIn for a few years. It was great at $100/year. It was
>> OK at $200/year but now it's going up to $350/year and it's time to loo for
>> something else.
>>
>> Suggestions?
>>
>> --
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>> San Francisco, CA
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+1 for Splashtop. Much more economical than either LogMeIn or TeamViewer. Works better too IMO.

> On Jul 15, 2018, at 2:27 PM, Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> I've been using LogMeIn for a few years. It was great at $100/year. It was
> OK at $200/year but now it's going up to $350/year and it's time to loo for
> something else.
>
> Suggestions?
>
> --
> Kirk Brooks
> San Francisco, CA
> =======================
>


Later,
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Splashtop looks really good, I might have to swap from Teamviewer

Regards,

Wayne




On 16 July 2018 at 08:41, Guy Algot via 4D_Tech <[hidden email]> wrote:

> +1 for Splashtop. Much more economical than either LogMeIn or TeamViewer. Works better too IMO.
>
>> On Jul 15, 2018, at 2:27 PM, Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> I've been using LogMeIn for a few years. It was great at $100/year. It was
>> OK at $200/year but now it's going up to $350/year and it's time to loo for
>> something else.
>>
>> Suggestions?
>>
>> --
>> Kirk Brooks
>> San Francisco, CA
>> =======================
>>
>
>
> Later,
> Guy
>
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> Edmonton, Alberta
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I’ll bet there is a reason not to, but from a Mac to a Mac I use good old Apple Screen Sharing (VNC). To a Windows server I use Microsoft Remote Desktop for Mac. Both are free and work really well. Have not found any limitation with either. Nothing required on the server end.

John

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> On Jul 15, 2018, at 4:05 PM, Wayne Stewart via 4D_Tech <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> Splashtop looks really good, I might have to swap from Teamviewer
>
> Regards,
>
> Wayne
>
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>
>> On 16 July 2018 at 08:41, Guy Algot via 4D_Tech <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> +1 for Splashtop. Much more economical than either LogMeIn or TeamViewer. Works better too IMO.
>>
>>> On Jul 15, 2018, at 2:27 PM, Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> I've been using LogMeIn for a few years. It was great at $100/year. It was
>>> OK at $200/year but now it's going up to $350/year and it's time to loo for
>>> something else.
>>>
>>> Suggestions?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Kirk Brooks
>>> San Francisco, CA
>>> =======================
>>>
>>
>>
>> Later,
>> Guy
>>
>> --
>> Guy Algot, Solutions Specialist
>> Edmonton, Alberta
>> (780) 974-8538
>>
>> hardware, installation, training, support, programming, internet
>> specializing in 4th Dimension
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>> they use Borg to do their marketing and Ferengi to do their programming."
>>    -- Simon Slavin
>>
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Looking at the responses you’re getting makes me wonder about the use case.

I liked Join.Me for remote support. It was easy to get remote users online pretty easily (assuming they had permission to install software). That scenario was “Ben is having problems and I need to login to his computer to see what’s up. Installation didn’t require a restart, which is bonus. As time went on they started requiring everyone to have an account, which slowed things down. But, for the price, fine.

I also had a client using Splashtop, which is permanently installed on his 4D server so I can login and do stuff. I use Dropbox to transfer files, so I can’t speak to that part, But the screen sharing/driving the remote computer is aces.



> On Jul 15, 2018, at 1:27 PM, Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> I've been using LogMeIn for a few years. It was great at $100/year. It was
> OK at $200/year but now it's going up to $350/year and it's time to loo for
> something else.
>
> Suggestions?
>
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Good suggestions guys. I really appreciate it. Many things I've been
looking at already. I use TeamViewer quite a lot to help people with
'stuff'. Usually 'Here, let me google that for you' but it's also good when
someone is saying, "4D just isn't working right..." and I want to see what
they are actually doing vs. what they say is happening.

I should have mentioned, because not everyone knows me, that I really want
a mac to windows solution if possible. TeamViewer would be a good choice
though in this particular case it would actually increase our annual cost
though it would offer a lot more usefulness much of which I wouldn't
actually use.

SplashTop has a great website and looks like the leading contender at the
moment. Can anyone speak to using it from a Mac to Windows?

I use DropBox for moving files to and fro as well so doing that in session
isn't so much of a deal.


On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 1:27 PM Kirk Brooks <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I've been using LogMeIn for a few years. It was great at $100/year. It was
> OK at $200/year but now it's going up to $350/year and it's time to loo for
> something else.
>
> Suggestions?
>
> --
> Kirk Brooks
> San Francisco, CA
> =======================
>
> *We go vote - they go home*
>
>

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you might also be interested in:

Alternative à RDP (http://forums.4d.com/Post/FR/24803223/1/24818538#24818538)

which mentions

TSPLUS (https://www.tsplus.net/)
guacamole (https://guacamole.apache.org/)




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We use RealVNC on all servers but use TeamViewer for client machines. We used to use LogMeIn for client machines but our support guys prefer Teamviewer and I didn't ask why.

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Hi there,

I thought I would chime in as I may have something useful to contribute for once __

My support team manage over 30 hosted Windows servers mostly at our data centre but some at client sites.  For server remote control we almost exclusively use RAdmin.  Unfortunately there is no Mac client so I have to use parallels on my Laptop when I am away from the office.  Radmin is really fast and allows more than one person at a time to be on the same server under the same account which is a huge thing for us.

We also use a product called SimpleHelp.  SimpleHelp is not as fast but it solves a completely different use case for us that is supporting and training drop in users as well as supporting our EPOS till estate.  Simple help is a web Java based tool (Mac, Windows, Unix) that allows on demand or persistent access to any remote machine.  So users can connect to a queue where our support team can pick up the connection or we can connect to a persistent connection that has been previously created.  We run simple help on a UNIX server and have a concurrent license which fits the needs of our small support team.

Hope this is useful.

Regards,  Dougie
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Hey Doug,
RAdmin looks pretty good. Certainly priced right for situations where one
has a smallish number of machines to manage. Good information on Simplehelp
too.

Thanks!

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> Hi there,
>
> I thought I would chime in as I may have something useful to contribute
> for once __
>
> My support team manage over 30 hosted Windows servers mostly at our data
> centre but some at client sites.  For server remote control we almost
> exclusively use RAdmin.  Unfortunately there is no Mac client so I have to
> use parallels on my Laptop when I am away from the office.  Radmin is
> really fast and allows more than one person at a time to be on the same
> server under the same account which is a huge thing for us.
>
> We also use a product called SimpleHelp.  SimpleHelp is not as fast but it
> solves a completely different use case for us that is supporting and
> training drop in users as well as supporting our EPOS till estate.  Simple
> help is a web Java based tool (Mac, Windows, Unix) that allows on demand or
> persistent access to any remote machine.  So users can connect to a queue
> where our support team can pick up the connection or we can connect to a
> persistent connection that has been previously created.  We run simple help
> on a UNIX server and have a concurrent license which fits the needs of our
> small support team.
>
> Hope this is useful.
>
> Regards,  Dougie
> ________________________________________________________
>
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> Phone : 01234 761759  Mobile : 07973 675 218
> 2nd Floor Broadway House, 4-6 The Broadway, Bedford MK40 2TE
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Thanks Alan and Miyako. Interesting approaches and tools I hadn't
considered. To be honest probably not a direction I'm going as my skills in
those areas are adequate at best and I'm afraid of horking something up by
mistake and then having to go down to the datacenter to fix it.

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> We use RealVNC on all servers but use TeamViewer for client machines. We
> used to use LogMeIn for client machines but our support guys prefer
> Teamviewer and I didn't ask why.
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Kirk,

We switched from LogmeIn to Splashtop years ago.  We use it from Mac to Windows all the time and it works great.  Can move files to/from as well.  No complaints here.

David Conley

> On Jul 15, 2018, at 8:03 PM, Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Good suggestions guys. I really appreciate it. Many things I've been
> looking at already. I use TeamViewer quite a lot to help people with
> 'stuff'. Usually 'Here, let me google that for you' but it's also good when
> someone is saying, "4D just isn't working right..." and I want to see what
> they are actually doing vs. what they say is happening.
>
> I should have mentioned, because not everyone knows me, that I really want
> a mac to windows solution if possible. TeamViewer would be a good choice
> though in this particular case it would actually increase our annual cost
> though it would offer a lot more usefulness much of which I wouldn't
> actually use.
>
> SplashTop has a great website and looks like the leading contender at the
> moment. Can anyone speak to using it from a Mac to Windows?
>
> I use DropBox for moving files to and fro as well so doing that in session
> isn't so much of a deal.
>
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I really like Microsoft Remote Desktop for Mac which can be downloaded for free from Microsoft. They regularly update it. Clipboards are shared and you can designate one or more folders on your Mac as network drives which  automatically mount when you log in.

With RMD you are logging in as one of the users on that machine which is great as you have the choice of whether to log in with the Admin account or not. The only drawback is that this means only one user at a time and if someone is logged into the same account you kick them off without any warning. On the other hand you can both be on with different accounts.

John Baughman
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> On Jul 16, 2018, at 1:29 AM, Douglas Cryer via 4D_Tech <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> Unfortunately there is no Mac client so I have to use parallels
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Kirk,

Connectwise (ScreenConnect) is the best replacement for LogMeIn.

Cheaper, more features.

But if you share your account, only 1 user can use it at a time. LogMeIn allowed me to share subsets of computer access without paying more.

David Ringsmuth

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I've been using LogMeIn for a few years. It was great at $100/year. It was
OK at $200/year but now it's going up to $350/year and it's time to loo for
something else.

Suggestions?

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Hi Kirk

Lots of options.
And lots of cost options, of course!

I support customers in far flung places (From the UK) and have done so for some time.
Half way around the world, and often with very limited bandwidth.

Various products over the years, but TeamViewer for the last many.
Yes, it costs, but it get what you pay for.
So, depending on your need, and pricing model?
Costs me nothing. That's what customers are for.

Solid, reliable, and good performance on slightly dicky connections.

Love and kisses
Lo

Yes, Oxford comma...
I'm that old.


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I've been using LogMeIn for a few years. It was great at $100/year. It was OK at $200/year but now it's going up to $350/year and it's time to loo for something else.

Suggestions?

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Re: What do you use to monitor your offsite servers?

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We have a number of 4D Servers which we run under a dedicated Windows Account. We use the same Windows Account to run all Production Servers on all machines. If someone needs to monitor the server they can do that via RDC using that Windows Account. That avoids any session confusion. However, it doesn't allow multiple users to monitor the same session and, since we run 4D Server from the desktop, rather than as a Windows Service, it also exposes the risk of the user accidentally 'logging off' instead of 'disconnecting' which causes 4D Server to quit. For these reasons we use RealVNC to monitor all servers, which is simply a screen sharing app.

>The issue as I understand it is this; Windows Server allows you to have multiple sessions for users concurrently logged in.
>This can be confusing when multiple people connect expecting to administer the same desktop, but instead of seeing a
>shared desktop they get their own desktop in their own session, even though the app they are looking to administer (4D)
>is running  in another user session. To correct this they must be aware of the session they are currently connected to
>and aware of the session that is running the app they want to administer.

Tom Benedict
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RE: What do you use to monitor your offsite servers?

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Tom,

This is exactly one of the primary problems with RD.  We have been using Solar Winds Mini-Remote Control for years and love the product.  Fully supports Windows authentication, and provides many great options.

However, as it always seems to be with Corp IT, they don't like anything except RD even though they don't understand how it works.


Steve


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We have a number of 4D Servers which we run under a dedicated Windows Account. We use the same Windows Account to run all Production Servers on all machines. If someone needs to monitor the server they can do that via RDC using that Windows Account. That avoids any session confusion. However, it doesn't allow multiple users to monitor the same session and, since we run 4D Server from the desktop, rather than as a Windows Service, it also exposes the risk of the user accidentally 'logging off' instead of 'disconnecting' which causes 4D Server to quit. For these reasons we use RealVNC to monitor all servers, which is simply a screen sharing app.

Tom Benedict

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Re: What do you use to monitor your offsite servers?

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I saw that thread and thought I read it thoroughly, wasn’t that about remote access and administration of computers not on your local network? I’m looking to be notified that a server is no longer responding... a server that has crashed or is down or unreachable for some reason. Isn’t that a different subject matter?

Thanks,

Robert

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